Challenge on Prophecy – David L Lamon – firstname.lastname@example.org
I have been challenged on articles I wrote about end-time prophetical events and thought you might be able to gain some insight from this so here it is for your consideration. To protect the name I didn’t mention it here.
First let me say
I appreciate your interest in looking for answers by studying prophecy and wish more people would involve themselves as you obviously are. Let me also say I do not make claim to have all the answers but such knowledge as I believe I have until God corrects me I freely share with you for your consideration as long as the conversation doesn’t get out of hand by allowing a spirit of evil bring about name calling, suggestive illegitimate behavior or anything that would interfere with good honest discourse.
Your comment: The devil has successfully planted a dangerous lie in Christian theology, and it has been unwittingly hatched, adopted, and nurtured by most evangelical churches. Today, millions of people the world over who are interested in Bible prophecy have their eyes fixed upon Jerusalem. Christians are constantly speculating about the modern state of Israel, a rebuilt Jewish temple, and a Middle East Armageddon. These subjects are being discussed in magazines, on videos, in books, on the radio, from the pulpit, in seminaries, on the Internet, and at Bible prophecy conferences.
My Comment: You better believe it I am fixed on Jerusalem as far as end-time prophecy is concerned. To start with all prophetical directions North, East, South and West begins with Jerusalem at its core. I would have to write a book here to give you all the information about Jerusalem and Israel in prophecy for the end-time but space and time won’t permit so I will give just a few prophecies that are yet future so you can’t honestly dismiss them as already happened. Psalms 83 is currently taking place. Zechariah 12, 13, and 14, Joel 3:2 Ezekiel 38, 39 and that doesn’t include two of the major end-time prophetical books Daniel and Revelation.
Your Comment: Are all of these end-time prophecies in Scripture regarding Israel and the temple speaking only of the literal nation of Jews and a physical building, or is there a deeper spiritual application?
My Comment: Both!
Your Comment: But because the persistent and popular teachings of the day focused on a muscular Messiah who would overthrow the Romans and seat himself on David’s throne, the disciples brushed aside Jesus’ comments regarding His spiritual kingdom. They tried to make the spiritual prophecies literal, and their expectations were crushed by the cross. They lamented, “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel.” Luke 24:21, NKJV. Even after His resurrection, the disciples were still clinging to these popular views and hoping for an imminent, literal kingdom. “When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” Acts 1:6. Is it possible that the church at large is making the same mistake today by misapplying prophecies regarding spiritual Israel and the temple and by trying to interpret them in a literal sense? If so, they could be preparing to embrace a diabolical deception—not to mention experience a devastating disappointment!
My Comment: To start with the restoration the Jews were misguided about will occur and the end of the seven year tribulaion period when the end of the mightiest of all wars the battle of Armeggadon (in the valley of Jezreel, Meggido or Jehosaphat all are the same place) will come to end by Jesus himself. It is at this time Jesus will fight the world’s naitons that have come to destroy Israel and the Jew. It is very certain the church at large is making a mistake on their take of Israel in the end time just as you apparently are but maybe for a little different reason than them. Many or most churches today have espoused "Replacement Theology", which teaches all prophecy ceased in A.D. 70 when Titus destroyed the temple and the Jews went into diaspora for 2,000 years but you can’t deny the fact they are back in their land and on the date you gave. This is reality no one can deny and it is just as the prophet Ezekiel prophesied in the 37th chapter. You were doing very well the way you started off describing what the Jews misinterpreted about Jesus coming and for that I as a Christian are most grateful as I have emboldened below for your benefit because: The eleventh chapter of Romans is a specific message from the apostle Paul to the Jew. You will have to read the whole chapter to get the full understanding but here I will give you the key verses. Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. The election here are those that accepted the Messiah for who he really is and as a result were water baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as required in Acts 2:38, 8:15, 16, 10:43-48, 19:4-6 when Peter answered those that ask the question, "Men and brethren what shall we do"? Now let’s proceed a little further. Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Until here reveals he is going to turn back to the Jew once the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled and this will be after the rapture of the church and the anti-Christ breaks his treaty with the Jew and the Jew at this point will see the anti-Christ for what he is and turn back to God. This is not to say some Jews today aren’t already serving the Lord Jesus Christ because they are but I am speaking of the remnant (1/3) of Jews spoken of in the book of Zechariah. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Paul here is once again confirming the fact that what is left of Jews will be saved so Jew does have a big time end-time role to play. The 144,000 Jews in Revelation will be the evangelist. This has never happened but will during the tribulation period.
The prophecy you are referring to is found in 2 Samuel 7:12-16 and when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established forever. There it is folks forever, plain as the nose on your face unless you don’t understand what forever means.
My Commentary: This is the prophecy the Jews were mistaken about and not the prophecy of Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 9:6, 53rd chapter and Zechariah 12:10 and I am afraid you too my friend. There are more scriptures that affirm this position but I hope by now you get the point. Since you are obviously a studious person you know how to run the references on all the scripture I have given you so feel free to do so.
Note: Today’s churches are deceived concerning Israel and their major argument against the Jew is "they killed the Savior". Have you considered what your position in Christ today would be if they hadn’t killed Jesus? Do you realize you wouldn’t have the opportunity for salvation had they not done that? What have the Jews done that makes the whole world hate them and now in the United States it is happening? Some say deprive the Arabs or Palestinians as they are falsely called today of a homeland. God gave this land they and the world say the Arab owns but that is simply not true if you believe what the bible says about this.
Israel is the only land in the world God calls his land and Jerusalem the only city he called his holy city. He gave this land to the Jews through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Who is the Arab?
Note: It wasn’t until Israel came home in 1948 and God made it flourish as he promised he would that the Arab decided it was their land. Look what the Arabs did to the Gaza where Israel had the most technological system known to man of growing healthy food taking place. In fact, they were so successful they supplied most of Europe with produce because of it.
He didn’t give any of it to Ishmael or his descendents Edom (Arabs). See below to see how large an area of land God gave the Jew and you will as a Christian see the U.S., Arabs and the world’s claims are faulty. It is through Ishmael and Esau’s rebellious betrayal or disobedience to Isaac his father who told him not to marry the woman he did, which was in the direct lineage of Ishmael that the Arab came about. After the last dispersal of the Jew in A.D. 70 by Titus for 2,000 years this land was laid waste and barren and had no occupants. So, from this it is easy to see who the father of the Arabs or Edomites are and this is his and his descendents destiny. Genesis 16:12 and he (Ishmael and descendents) will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man (terrorism), and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Is this not an accurate portrayal of the Arab throughout his history even until now. As far as hatred goes, if the world is determined to hate anyone in the middle-east it should be the Arab because they have never been a friend of the west or United States but Israel has. I asked you what have the Arabs contributed that benefits man other than the oil they didn’t even dig wells for and got only because of Abraham’s love for Ishmael and persistent begging of God to bless him, so God promised to bless him with the land hence oil but the spiritual blessing was to be through Isaac, Jacob etc. The Arabs assure they will cut your head off if you don’t accept their religion as the only one and with the exception of minute things they haven’t given the world technologies that benefit all of man but the Jew has aplenty. Who starts every war that has happened in the Middle-East? It is the Arabs not the Jews but they do defend themselves and for this the whole blames them. Here is the real truth of the matter concerning this; the devil know he has but a short time and if he is to escape the eternal lake of fire that awaits him he must destroy the Jew and the Christians but I have news bad news for him he will do neither, although he will be allowed to kill many before it is over. It is for this reason I encourage all people to avoid the tribulation period by surrendering the lives to God before it is too late. The rapture of the can definitely be considered imminent now.
Rightful Owners of Land of Israel
God gave the land to the descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob for an inheritance forever. Exodus 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it forever. Yes, they were scattered abroad just as Moses predicted for their sin but the land is still theirs and as Ezekiel prophesied in the 36th chapter the Jew would come back into the land and they did in 1948. Why are you so blinded to these truths? Why is it you can’t see this is Satan’s attempt to destroy the Jew? Why are you being a pawn in the hand of Satan? He knows he has but a short while left and this is his only chance. Do you not fear the Lord God of heaven? Read the consequences of your action by God. America does not want to be counted in the following. Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead (bring judgment) with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. Zechariah 14:2-3 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. Zechariah 12:2-3 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
All this land the U.S. and the world says has to go to the Arabs belongs to Israel and just how much is that?
Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates. The Gaza and the west bank, and all Judea that the U.S. and the world is forcing Israel to give away belong to Israel. So my advice is to pay no attention to the Bush’s, Obama’s or Olmert of Israel and obey God or face his judgment.
Note: If you read all the above then you realize how important it is to understand bible prophecy, particularly as it concerns the end-time. Our nation has embarked on a very dangerous journey as the above scripture teaches us by demanding Israel part their land and give it to her enemies. It in essence places us right in the crosshairs of God because we are today the main instrument in forcing Israel into this what will be disastrous malady. When you add to that the fact we are the cesspool of the world as far as sin in concerned and our sins have reached unto the heavens. It is not in the interest of the United States of America to turn against Israel because; America wants to be counted as Genesis 12:3 and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.